Flora And Fauna



  • @Gritmonger that sounds like it could be achieved through a personality/genetic ai or allowing a sort of 'evolution' or 'natural selection' to occur where if a species survives better in a certain area then they will stay there instead of going back to the original location.



  • I was wondering, how does time work in the system with regards to animals and plants? Is the same time scale applied to skill learning?



  • ...for that matter, could animals learn or be taught skills? Could a lot of their behaviors and abilities be modeled as skills to allow for different degrees of variation and improvement through experience?



  • Furthering that thought @Gritmonger i would be interested to know if there's a possibility for animal taming or something close to it where you could train with a particular animal group in order to acquire benefits (i.e. working with elk to gain a mount for faster transport, or a wolf for better hunting, etc...)

    This could even be taken a step further if eventually you have a 'rare breed' or 'unique spawn' of a particular fauna group where they would be desired for either looks (fine pelt or unique coat design) or performance (acquiring an alpha from a pack instead of a lower tier animal would add extra stats or a slight edge over conventional animals in that pack). I could see this divulging into a whole enterprise if such a 'class' as animal tamer existed, A: they could help protect particular 'rare breeds' by preventing it being hunted for its rarity, or B: Acquiring it themselves to attempt breeding of the unique traits and thus fulfilling a role say if someone wanted an extra sturdy elk for use as labor or a unique pelt that a wolf may have (i'm envisioning dogs here and why we as humans like the domestic animals, be it for companionship or showmanship).



  • That sounds like animals evolving and carrying their genes to future generations.



  • @cr4zyc4t
    There are pledge tiers that already involve animal taming so it's safe to say it is within the scope of the game. Although taming bunny's and wolves would be an exclusively perk for high tier backers in Vanilla(no mods) Eco, I suspect taming of some of the other animals would be possible for any user who chooses that skill set for their current character.
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1037798999/eco-global-survival-game



  • @SketchBookGames Ya i went back through the KS page and saw that about taming, I'm curious if it will be like a non-combat type that's purely ascetics or if it would involve a skillset unto the tamed animal and a bunny and wolf could only have been attainable through KS campaign (locking out a 'beast tamer' from getting them until said mod unlocked it again).



  • Apart from wolves and bunnies, I think animal taming should be accessible for everyone with 'useful' animals. For instance, horses for transportation, chickens and cows (or goats?) for milk. Horse taming should be more difficult than chickens. What about birds of prey for hunting?



  • The taming relates to the animal being a pet which I am still not entirely sure if they will be useful in any way or just a status symbol.
    Since you are limited to how much you can carry, you'll require modes of transport to move resources around and therefore horse-type animals within the biome (the elk in this case) could become very helpful (possibly after researching since pulling a cart becomes too tiring for you).



  • ¿Is the elk the only horse-type animal?



  • I'm hoping there will be actual horses :) Would love to try being a horse trainer!



  • I'm a bit intrigued if animals will breed and evolve along time so more domesticated versions will become available. That's why I wondered how time is managed in the platform, although I guess that question is beyond the scope of this thread.



  • A lot of this stuff would be quite interesting, but I imagine (in comparison to other things) quite low priority.

    The exception of course being domestication which it very important.



  • I believe it was said somewhere that time plays out at a pretty accelerated pace, from stone age to near future in the course of about a month real time. I'm sure at that time scale it would be realistic for selective breeding to produce effects within a few days of play time.



  • Even if it is not that fast, look how dog breeds have changed in the last hundred years. And that wasn't straightforward. I think 200 to 300 years for breeding a dog (like creature) from a wolf if you know what you are doing.



  • I hope that a lot of these thinks can we mod, because the dev-team has to make the whole game with the complex impacts etc. and we have to make the minor changes we'd like to have in the game :).



  • The modding API is an intresting thema. Maybe a own thread worth.



  • Great idea, I will create it :)



  • I'm interested in intergenerational changes as well. One thing that occurs to me is that some people "farm" wild animals for hunting season in a similar way - they condition them to appear at a feeder, and then stake out and kill animals at or near the feeder at hunting season. There was a person in my grandmother's neighborhood who did this with a local deer just out his back door, so it came by for feedings and wasn't afraid of him, and he shot it the first day of hunting season. The neighborhood as a group banned hunting in the neighborhood immediately after that, so it might follow very closely to the Eco model.

    The element of these that is common is a flexible behavior regime that includes adjusting flight distance. The animals with a high flight distance remain safer, but lose out on easy, convenient energy (food). Animals that are able to adjust or more quickly alter their flight distance can get more food and energy, at no risk, until hunting season.

    "Taming" animals might, at first, just be selecting those animals who have a lower flight distance and keeping those who have the lowest, eventually developing animals who are unafraid of people if not affectionate and tame. Further than that might involve raising animals from infancy to make them imprint on people or become dependent. These adjustments, however, might make the animals less likely to survive in the wild. That would be part of the trade-off. Domestic sheep might take a while to figure out they should flee from a wolf pack that has already killed a few of them, meaning that they would require protection from a more discerning personality, or have different flight distances based on perceived threat.



  • I also mentioned this on the main Kickstarter page, but if plants respond to local conditions, could fire be modeled as a plant that requires fuel, accelerants, other chemicals or burnable material to "grow" - and its "health" could be modeled on the amount of "nutrients" (fuel). It would have a much faster growth, consumption, reproduction, and death cycle than a normal plant, and respire at a much higher rate, but you could also "feed" it or "poison" it if you knew what would work on a fire.

    Oh, and if plants can "grow" on human constructions, this would take care of fire spread to buildings as well... : )


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