Best food combos for different skill levels in 5.5.4


  • With a friend telling me he didn't find my post at the end of the other thread (http://ecoforum.strangeloopgames.com/topic/1284/skill-point-gain-research-updated-21-02-2017/50) I decided to repost this table here. This also gives me the chance to correct the order of research advances. I had Culinary Arts after Advanced Baking but was told that for Advanced Baking you need Yeast i.e. Culinary Arts. So the following table shows food combinations in different ratios up to 3000 calories. I got this by writing a little brute force algorithm that still is not perfect, so there may be better combinations for bigger stomachs or if you keep track of your previous meals. The combination algorithm has a bug so also for 3000 cals there could be better ones but it gives a good start.
    I assumed that you evolve your skills incrementally so before you learn Baking 1 you already have Campfire Creations 4 and so on. This all is for version 0.5.5.4.

    EDIT: Updated according to my post below.

    Campfire Cooking 1: 2 Campfire Beans, 5 Charred Camas Bulb: 1,3/52,1 out of 120 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 2: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Charred Camas Bulb, 3 Charred Beet: 2,0/79,9 out of 940 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 3: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Charred Camas Bulb, 3 Charred Beet: 2,0/79,9 out of 2388 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 4: 1 Camas Mash, 1 Wilted Fiddleheads: 1,9/96,2 out of 9818 combinations

    Campfire Creations 1: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Camas Mash, 3 Wheat Porridge: 1,8/97,0 out of 17403 combinations
    Campfire Creations 2: 1 Camas Mash, 4 Wheat Porridge, 2 Charred Sausage: 1,9/114,7 out of 47228 combinations
    Campfire Creations 3: 1 Bannock, 2 Fiddlehead Salad, 1 Campfire Roast: 1,7/116,4 out of 50751 combinations
    Campfire Creations 4: 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Wild Stew, 1 Campfire Stew: 1,8/141,6 out of 54568 combinations

    Baking 1: 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Wild Stew, 1 Campfire Stew: 1,8/141,6 out of 111089 combinations
    Baking 2: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 184309 combinations
    Baking 3: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 196373 combinations
    Baking 4: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 202219 combinations

    Culinary Arts 1: 1 Bannock, 1 Wild Stew, 2 Preserved Meat: 1,9/148,2 out of 302585 combinations
    Culinary Arts 2: 1 Flatbread, 1 Corn Fritters, 1 Seared Meat, 2 Vegetable Medley: 1,9/151,7 out of 422920 combinations
    Culinary Arts 3: 1 Seared Meat, 3 Elk Taco: 1,9/173,7 out of 601073 combinations
    Culinary Arts 4: 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 1,8/174,4 out of 608757 combinations

    Advanced Baking 1: 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 1,8/174,4 out of 655121 combinations
    Advanced Baking 2: 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 1,8/174,4 out of 770940 combinations
    Advanced Baking 3: 1 Vegetable Medley, 1 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E, 1 Macaroons: 1,9/182,5 out of 1310175 combinations
    Advanced Baking 4: 1 Corn Fritters, 1 Elk Taco, 1 Elk Wellington: 1,9/183,4 out of 1315511 combinations

    What I call the beginner's combination is 1 Charred Meat 2 Charred Beets. This combination is easy to get quite early in game as it only needs Campfire Cooking 2 and it gives you a steady 73,1 point per day. I tend to stick to this combination until I got Baking 2 (see above combination which is my favorite in terms of cost-value ratio).
    One additinal combination I'd like to share is the gourmand combo (best i found up to now) for which you need Big Stomach 5 (it's 5400 cal):
    1 Bearclaw, 2 Elk Wellington, 3 Elk Taco: 2,0/188,0

    cya


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  • Love it! Great work! Thanks tons! I must have referenced this 50 times in the last month .

    If it's not too much of a pain, could you run it again with a 4000 cal stomach ?



  • @SlowMoneyGreen
    Thanks a lot for your request. That made me rewrite the algorithm to save time creating the list and, yeah, I got some better results making me rethink my personal ingame diet. Up to now I was convinced that with Baking 2 I got the perfect combination of 1 Wild Stew, 1 Camas Bulb Bake and 1 Baked Meat, reulting in 145,5 points. Somehow the rewriting seemed to fix a bug (I knew it had one...) so in the future I will just omit the Camas Bulb Bake as you can see below.

    3000 calories:

    Campfire Cooking 1: 2 Campfire Beans, 5 Charred Camas Bulb: 1,3/52,1 out of 120 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 2: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Charred Camas Bulb, 3 Charred Beet: 2,0/79,9 out of 940 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 3: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Charred Camas Bulb, 3 Charred Beet: 2,0/79,9 out of 2388 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 4: 1 Camas Mash, 1 Wilted Fiddleheads: 1,9/96,2 out of 9818 combinations
    Campfire Creations 1: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Camas Mash, 3 Wheat Porridge: 1,8/97,0 out of 17403 combinations
    Campfire Creations 2: 1 Camas Mash, 4 Wheat Porridge, 2 Charred Sausage: 1,9/114,7 out of 47228 combinations
    Campfire Creations 3: 1 Bannock, 2 Fiddlehead Salad, 1 Campfire Roast: 1,7/116,4 out of 50751 combinations
    Campfire Creations 4: 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Wild Stew, 1 Campfire Stew: 1,8/141,6 out of 54568 combinations
    Baking 1: 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Wild Stew, 1 Campfire Stew: 1,8/141,6 out of 111089 combinations
    Baking 2: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 184309 combinations
    Baking 3: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 196373 combinations
    Baking 4: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 202219 combinations
    Culinary Arts 1: 1 Bannock, 1 Wild Stew, 2 Preserved Meat: 1,9/148,2 out of 302585 combinations
    Culinary Arts 2: 1 Flatbread, 1 Corn Fritters, 1 Seared Meat, 2 Vegetable Medley: 1,9/151,7 out of 422920 combinations
    Culinary Arts 3: 1 Seared Meat, 3 Elk Taco: 1,9/173,7 out of 601073 combinations
    Culinary Arts 4: 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 1,8/174,4 out of 608757 combinations
    Advanced Baking 1: 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 1,8/174,4 out of 655121 combinations
    Advanced Baking 2: 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 1,8/174,4 out of 770940 combinations
    Advanced Baking 3: 1 Vegetable Medley, 1 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E, 1 Macaroons: 1,9/182,5 out of 1310175 combinations
    Advanced Baking 4: 1 Corn Fritters, 1 Elk Taco, 1 Elk Wellington: 1,9/183,4 out of 1315511 combinations

    And now for your request, took some time to compute and ate up around 12GB of RAM but here it is.
    4000 calories:

    Campfire Cooking 1: 3 Campfire Beans, 7 Charred Camas Bulb: 1,3/52,8 out of 251 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 2: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Charred Camas Bulb, 3 Charred Beet: 2,0/79,9 out of 2893 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 3: 1 Campfire Beans, 1 Charred Meat, 4 Charred Camas Bulb, 1 Charred Beet, 1 Charred Corn, 2 Boiled Shoots: 1,9/80,9 out of 8952 combinations
    Campfire Cooking 4: 1 Camas Mash, 1 Wilted Fiddleheads: 1,9/96,2 out of 50500 combinations
    Campfire Creations 1: 1 Charred Meat, 1 Boiled Shoots, 5 Camas Mash, 3 Wheat Porridge: 1,9/99,8 out of 102712 combinations
    Campfire Creations 2: 1 Boiled Shoots, 1 Bannock, 3 Fiddlehead Salad, 3 Charred Sausage: 1,9/116,2 out of 394056 combinations
    Campfire Creations 3: 1 Boiled Shoots, 1 Bannock, 3 Fiddlehead Salad, 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Campfire Roast: 1,9/119,0 out of 444808 combinations
    Campfire Creations 4: 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Wild Stew, 1 Campfire Stew: 1,8/141,6 out of 510184 combinations
    Baking 1: 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Wild Stew, 1 Campfire Stew, 1 Camas Bulb Bake: 1,9/145,6 out of 1260063 combinations
    Baking 2: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 2449751 combinations
    Baking 3: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Meat: 1,9/146,9 out of 2710185 combinations
    Baking 4: 1 Charred Sausage, 1 Wild Stew, 1 Huckleberry Muffin, 1 Meat Pie: 1,9/147,4 out of 2876206 combinations
    Culinary Arts 1: 1 Fiddlehead Salad, 2 Campfire Stew, 1 Corn Fritters: 1,9/151,3 out of 4905766 combinations
    Culinary Arts 2: 1 Campfire Stew, 1 Flatbread, 1 Corn Fritters, 1 Seared Meat, 2 Vegetable Medley: 1,9/154,1 out of 7707229 combinations
    Culinary Arts 3: 1 Seared Meat, 4 Elk Taco: 1,9/177,9 out of 12594549 combinations
    Culinary Arts 4: 1 Vegetable Medley, 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 2,0/186,6 out of 12907237 combinations
    Advanced Baking 1: 1 Vegetable Medley, 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 2,0/186,6 out of 14381629 combinations
    Advanced Baking 2: 1 Vegetable Medley, 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 2,0/186,6 out of 18168077 combinations
    Advanced Baking 3: 1 Vegetable Medley, 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 2,0/186,6 out of 33751700 combinations
    Advanced Baking 4: 1 Vegetable Medley, 2 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 2,0/186,6 out of 34064131 combinations

    Seems like with 4000 calories Advanced Baking gets you nowhere better :)

    Tell me if you find anything wrong in this list. Didn't test, just compute ;)

    @Foolish_Crok maybe you want to update again. Sorry :/

    Cya



  • I asked some people to do that kind of alghoritm but, im not that good in excel.
    Good Job. I'll update.



  • 3 elk taco's, 1 elk wellington, 1 fried hare haunch = 189



  • @voyagebass Any chance you want to share the algorithm or the sheet?



  • Awesome, work! Thanks, Voyager! I've been able to streamline my cooking operations to support the 'most sustainable', high output combinations, thanks to this plethora of data (sustainable means minimum input steps, minimal meat, fewest ingredients, etc, for the best skill point return). Wild stew + a baked meat + camas bulb bake is really tough to beat, for a day of heavy calorie usage (146sp), while corn fritters + elk wellington + huckleberry muffin requires little, but yields 174sp, for those times when you're not burning calories at a high rate.

    You can work harder, kill all the animals, and get a touch more, but on the supplier-for-sale-side, that's our champion.

    Data rules <3

    Thanks again!

    SMG



  • question, for 5k calorie stomachs is there any real difference? also do you have the excel document you used to create these? I'd be interested to see about better efficiency foods (as wellingtons take a boatload of flour which in turn takes a field of wheat to make) materials wise to get comparable skillpoint gain.



  • that's kind of the point though you're not meant to stay at max sp/day all the time they made it so making the better food takes more time and more ingredients so that you occasionally have to dip down lower now and then



  • I get that, that's why I wanted to look at the various options and since he has the necessary data that'd help. as it sits right now I have about 250 each of wellingtons, tacos, and fritters, but that's kinda boring and I feel like I'm wasting them if I eat them while doing calorie intensive work.



  • @MagicBackPack I can understand that, have you tried using the calculator that someone had created, it will let you try different combos to see what you can get

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13mU_oQKEk93AB1SqMa6IOFzw_nLd2I4EmaWyNdKdn_s/edit#gid=0



  • @toxxikz I had not, thank you, I'll fiddle with it some, I was just hoping someone had that excel document so I could generate the data and look through the combinations to find a good balance between cost and SP efficiency. knowing the best is great, but I wanna put together some more cost effective options for folks in every sill for cooking to give more options. like if you get advanced baking 4 but don't have efficiency's the wellington, elk taco, and corn fritters is both time and material intensive, especially without the right skills and efficiencies (as it should be to encourage specialization) so having suboptimal cheaper alternatives can help folks as they transition into a specialization. especially with the time limit imposed by a meteor I think having tiered options based off of material cost would help a lot of people enjoy the game more. at least that's my theory behind wanting it :P



  • I actually think I have the document you mean but its not excel it was a google doc

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13mU_oQKEk93AB1SqMa6IOFzw_nLd2I4EmaWyNdKdn_s/edit#gid=0

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  • @rentechd maybe, though I wonder how he did the number crunch to be able to get the different combinations. that's what I'm mainly after, instead of having to do it manually some kind of script that's able to determine combinations and their effects based on different variables (like minimum or maximum calorie count desired etc.) I don't have the spreadsheet knowhow to make a script like that as of right now.



  • I don't know how he did that. He just posted it without any explanation that I could find.

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  • @MagicBackPack I think the link that i posted then Pam posted again is probably about the best your going to get for right now. I mean the game is still in alpha and i doubt anyone is going to take the time to do what you are thinking of this early in the game development. There will be so many changes coming to the game yet its not really worth the effort to build something as intensive as that when it could be useless in 3 weeks.



  • Pretty close to the mark

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  • @toxxikz @rentechd yeah I feel y'all I was just looking into it for shiggles. I have very strange hobbies :P



  • small addendum, 1x raw roast, 1x wild stew, and 1x campfire stew gives 3200 calories and 142.2 sp/day so it's a better combo for 3500-4000 calorie stomachs with campfire creations :)

    also a good calorie intensive but fairly sustainable combo is Campfire Stew x1, Huckleberry Pie x1, and Raw Roast x1 for 3300 calories total and 139 sp/day, just level up big stomach once and you're good to go, cheap and easy :)



  • Some impressive reverse engineering going on here. Nice work.


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