Skill point gain research - updated 21/02/2017


  • (This post is almost completed, although your opinions are very welcomed)
    (Applied only to [Patch 5.0-5.4] )

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    Prologue
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    Hi.
    I decided to look forward or more knowledge about food tiers and skill point gain.
    To understand appropriate and healthy eating in ECO we need to use balanced diet which is confusing a little bit.

    There are various tiers of food that gives better skill point gain.

    Thanks to Gnollmar for creating very helpful cooing spreadsheet which allowed me to finish my work
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jTWbC5e95CLIQZ2AutzVb0Mf7Oit4VnRakFIE2fDAAY/edit#gid=0

    [name of food x of CARB/y of PROT/z of FAT/v of VIT + CALORIES]

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    TIER ZERO
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    • Is all the basic food You can get without spending more than 10 skill points

    Seeds:

    • Beet Seed 1/0/1/0 (plain gain: 2 SP, x1,0)
    • Peach Fruit Seed 1/0/1/0 (plain gain: 2 SP, x1,0)
    • Wheat Seed 0,5/0/0/0 (plain gain: 0,3 SP, x 0,5)

    Plants:

    • Huckleberries 10/0/0/50+120 (plain gain: 36 SP, x0,6)
    • Fiddlehead 20/0/30/0+120 (plain gain: 41.7 SP, x0,8)
    • Corn 20/0/30/0+120 (plain gain 41.7 SP, x0,8)
    • Peach Fruit 20/0/30/0+120 (plain gain 41.7 SP, x0,8)
    • Beans 20/20/0/10+120 (plain gain: 62.5 SP, x1,3)
    • Wheat 60/0/0/0+150 (plain gain: 30.0 SP, x0,5)
    • Camas Bulb 30/0/15/0+120 (plain gain: 33.8 SP, x0,8)

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    Guide: Final Thoughts
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    -> Beans - very hard to find but initially have 3 nutrient values 20/20/0/10+120

    • gives 62.5 Skill Points gain with strong 1.3 multiplier
    • amount of beans in the world should discourage any players to pursuit this combination unless they are "5th wheel afk player awaiting to spend SP later on"

    -> Wheat and Huckleberries

    • Wheat is common natural plant that might cover most of the plains
    • Huckleberries bushes are uncommon and found only near rivers
    • Gives from 30 to 60 SP based on amount You have eaten
    • Combination of 2 Wheats and 3 Huckleberries will be most optimal for Tier 0 food
    • Due to high population of those two plants it is STRONGLY ADVISED to go this patch

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    TIER ONE
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    • Is all the basic food which can be cooked using campfire

    Campfire Recipes

    • Boiled Shoots 40/0/0/50+120 (plain gain: 81,0 SP, x0,9)
    • Bannock 70/0/10/0+600 (plain gain: 45,7 SP, x0,6)
    • Campfire Roast 0/65/45/0+750 (plain gain: 93,1 SP , x0,8)
    • Charred Camas Bulb 40/0/20/20+240 (plain gain: 80,0 SP, x1,0)
    • Charred Corn 40/0/5/15+120 (plain gain: 45,0 SP, x0,8)
    • Charred Greens 40/0/20/40+900 (plain gain: 125,0 , x1,3)
    • Charred Meat 0/50/30/0+600 (plain gain: 64,0 SP , x0,8)
    • Wheat porridge 60/0/0/30+750 (plain gain: 67,5 SP , x0,8)
    • Charred Beet 15/0/15/50+120 (plain gain: 64,0 SP , x0,8)
    • Tallow 0/0/50/0+150 (plain gain: 25,0 SP, x0,5)

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    Campfire Mastery - Perfect Dish
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    notes:

    • Requires rare Beans
    • Butchery book & skill points spent (requires Scrap Meat)
    • Tallow (might be rare at the beggining of the game)
    • combination with other kind of food (except of Boiled Shoots ) will cause loss of Skill Point gain

    Campfire Stew 40/50/20/40+1050 (plain gain: 225,0 SP, x1,5)

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    Guide: Final Thoughts
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    -> Charred Beet & Charred Corn

    • It is unique tier 1 dish that can be cooked via campfire without cooking skill book
    • You need at least 6 Skill Point spent in Survival Skill Tree
    • Recommended path for Chef is to also pick Gathering and upgrade Grassland Gathering to at least
      lvl 2 - total cost is 10 Skill Points

    -> Advancing Further

    • You will have to research Cooking skill book (as 1st) and Agriculture skill book (as 2nd)
    • Leveling Gathering and Gatherers is recommended although not necessary
    • After researching Agriculture it is recommended to level Grassland Seed Yield
      (increase Camas Bulb harvest)
      [Agriculture -> Farming Tools -> Grassland Farming -> Grassland Seed Yield]
    • Hunting level 1/3/5 (1/12/126 Skill points) let you kill Elk in 3/2/1 shoots
      (need confirmation lvl 2 attempt)
    • Workbench Order for Arrows
    • Hunting Time -> 2 hares, at least 2 elks - hunting bisons is waste of time and skill points this early in the game

    -> Wheat Porridge and Charred Meat

    • Requires Campfire Cooking level 1 (1 Skill Point spent)
    • 1x Charred Meat + 3x Charred Camas Bulb + 2x Huckleberry - gives over 140 Skill Point Gain
    • Probably the bet way to gain it solo will be:
      while You spent at least 4 Skill Points total
      [gathering1optional, logging1, laborer1, campfirecooking1, basiccrafting1, buildingcontruction1optional]
    • This recipe can be created in about first two hours of gameplay

    -> Advancing Further

    • Research Butchery skill book
    • Gain Access to Butchery Table and Carpenting

    [Workbench -> Carpentry Table -> Craft Boards -> Butchery Table]

    • Get Butchery level 2
    • Chop Raw Roast
    • 1x Wheat Porridge + 1x Campfire Roast + 5x Charred Beet - gives about 161 Skill Point gain

    • PERFECT COMBINATION
      1x Campfire Roast +5x Charred Beet +5x Charred Camas Bulb
      Balance multiplier is 2.0
      174.2 Skill Point gain

    -> Even Further Beyond (Goku pls stahp)

    • Level up Campfire Creation to 2
    • Find Beans (River Source, higher ground)
    • At this point it is highly recommended to level up
      Gathering and Grassland Gatherer to at least level 2
    • Due to rarity of Beans this and further recipes will use extrardinary amounts of this scare resource
    • 1x Charred Greens + 1x Campfire Roast + 2x Boiled Shoots will give you 192 Skill Point gain

    -> Create your own perfect dish

    • Campfire Stew requires to be a Chef - focused only in cooking and gathering
    • Additional 36 Skill points have to be spent into Campfire Creations till You reach 4th level
    • This hard recipe requires enormus amount of rare beans, but it will
      reward a player with up to 232 Skill Point Gain

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    TIER TWO
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    • Is all the basic food that can be reformed using more advanced techniques in more advanced facilities such as bakery oven, mill and butchery table
    • Flatbread 100/30/0/0+750 (plain gain: 84,5 SP, x0,7)
    • Huckleberry Muffins 60/20/0/60+600 (plain gain: 163,3 SP, x1,2)
    • Baked Meat 0/90/70/0+1200 (plain gain: 142,2 SP, x0,9)
    • Raw Sausage 0/20/30/0+900 (plain gain: 41,7 SP, x0,8)
    • Charred Sausage 0/50/80/0+300 (plain gain: 105,6 SP, x0,8)
    • Raw Roast 0/40/40/0+900 (plain gain: 80 SP, x1,0)
    • Baked Camas Bulb 60/0/30/50+150 (plain gain: 163,3 SP, x1,2)
    • Baked Roast 10/80/60/20+1200 (plain gain: 180,6 SP, x1,1)

    End Tier 2: Baking (lvl 4) mastery
    [] Huckleberry Pie 40/20/10/100+1200 (plain gain: 144,5 SP, x0,9)
    [] Meat Pie 40/70/40/20+1500 (plain gain: 206,4 SP, x1,2)

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    Guide: Final Thoughts
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    -> Campfire transition

    • Requires Campfire Creations lvl 3, Butchery lvl 3 and Baking lvl 1
    • Char a sausage above Campfire and Bake Camas Bulbs in Baking Oven
      1x Charred Sausage + 5x Baked Camas Bulb to recieve 212,4 Skill Points, x1,5
    • This recipe is probably most efficient one before You start baking for real

    -> Muffin King

    • Requires Bakery Oven
    • Requires Milling lvl 1, Mill
    • You need to crush the wheat in the mill to make flour
    • Take flour and grab Huckleberries, mix them together in Baking Oven and bake those delicious Huckleberry Muffins
    • Requires Butchery lvl 1-4, Baking lvl 2
    • Grab Raw Meat and Camas Bulbs and bake them in Baking Oven
      3x Huckleberry Muffin + 1x Baked Meat + 4x Baked Camas Bulb will get You 268,9 Skill Points with 1,8 balance multiplier
    • advanced alternative
    • Requires Butchery lvl 3-4 and Baking lvl 2, Milling lvl 1
      3x Huckleberry Muffin + 1x Baked Meat + 6x Baked Camas Bulb +1 Charred Sausage
      will get You 272,5 Skill points with 1,8 balance multiplier

    -> Become Pie King

    • Requires Milling lvl 1, Milling Efficiency
    • Requires Baking lvl 4, Baking Efficiency
    • Requires Butchery lvl 1-4, Meat Prep Efficiency
    • Gathering lvl 1, Forest Forager lvl 3+
      At this point of game You may discover that huckleberries are key to the cooking, and amount of berries will only increase!
    • Bake those Pies :D
      1x Huckleberry Pie + 2x Meat Pie will get You 284,6 Skill points with x1,7 balance multiplier

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    Tier Three
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    • Is the reformed food via butchery table and mill - cooked on kitchen and stove; and advanced baking technique used on bakery oven
    • Bread 220/40/0/0+750 (plain gain: 153,6 SP, x,0,6)
    • Camas bread 150/50/60/20+900 (plain gain: 261,3 SP, x0,9)
    • Elk Wellington 70/170/60/10+1200 (plain gain: 282,6 SP, x,0,9)
    • Wild Mix 120/50/30/60+1350 (plain gain: 281,7 SP, x,1,1)
    • Tortilla 40/10/0/0+300 (plain gain: 31,3 SP, x0,6)
    • Seared meat 0/120/60/0+1200 (plain gain: 135 SP, x0,8)
    • Elk Taco 40/70/70+1200 (plain gain: 231,4 SP, x1,3)
    • Bear Supreme 50/100/90/10+1500 (plain gain: 312,5 SP, x,1,3)
    • Sausage 10/90/80/10+900 (plain gain: 200,6 SP, x1,1)
    • Preserved meat 0/0/0/0+900

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    Guide: Final Thoughts
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    -> RAMSAY!

    • Requires Kitchen Workbench
    • Requires Butchery lvl 1-4, Baking lvl 2, Milling lvl 2, Culinary Arts lvl 2
    • First basic Recipe with new Kitchen workbench
    • You gonna crush Camas in the Mill to get Camas Paste
    • Mashing Huckleberries will get you Huckleberry Extract while using Kitchen
      1x Wild Mix + 1x Baked Meat will get You 329 Skill Points with x1,5 balance multiplier

    You may struggle to find which way to go in cooking

    • Elk Wellingtons or Bear S U P R E M E
    • Skipping Advanced Baking for Maxing Culinary Arts is critical and difference is dramatically high
    • However Elk Wellingtons will be used to advance to Moleclar Gastronomy it is a good idea to max Advanced Baking to lvl 4 at the end.

    -> Michelin Star

    • Requires Butchery table, Mill, Stove, Kitchen Workbench
    • Requires Butchery lvl 2
    • Requires Culinary Arts lvl 3
    • Requires Milling lvl 2
    • Prepare Meat at Butchery Table
    • Get Camas Paste from Mill
    • Extract Huckleberries at Kitchen and prepare Wild Mix
    • Cook Sausage
      1x Sausage + 1x Wild Mix + 1x Huckleberry Extract will give You 369 Skill Points with 1,7 balance multiplier

    -> They see me rollin' they hatin'

    • Requires Butchery Table, Mill, Bakery Oven, Kitchen and Stove Workbench
    • Requires Milling lvl 2, Milling Efficiency
    • Requires Butchery lvl 4, Meat Prep Efficiency
    • Requires Advanced Baking lvl 2, Baking Efficiency
    • Requires Culinary Arts lvl 4, Culinary Creations Efficiency
    • Gathering lvl 1, Forest Forager lvl 4 or 5
    • Hunting lvl 3+
    • Chop Prime Cuts at Butechry Table
    • Mill Flour and Camas Paste
    • Bake Camas Bread at Baing Oven
    • Extract Huckleberries at Kitchen
    • Cook Bear S U P R E M Ein Stove
    • Enjoy best food compilation in the game
      1x Camas Bread + 1x Bear Supreme + 3-4x Huckleberry Extract will give you 438-446 Skill Points with 2,0 balance multiplier

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    Tier Four
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    • Does not exist

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    Ingredients
    Those shouldn't be used to feed Yourself

    In cooking, recipes specify which ingredients are used to prepare a specific dish.

    Tiers

    Tier 1 Ingredients - can be obtained through campfire cooking and more advanced later in the game

    • Tallow 0/0/50/0+150

    Tier 2 Ingredients - can be obtained while using a mill

    • Beet Sugar - 0/0/1/0+300
    • Camas Paste 35/0/20/0+90
    • Cornmeal 1/0/0/0+300
    • Flour 10/0/0/0+150
    • Refined Sugar 0/0/1/0+300
    • Sugar 0/0/0/0+60

    Tier 3 Ingredients - can be prepared in the kitchen

    • Huckleberry Extract 0/0/0/150+300 (this is an exception, this ingredient is very efficient)
    • Tortilla 40/10/0/0+300
    • Yeast 0/1/0/1+300

    Tier 4 Ingredients - can be prepared in "the place which is going to be added in the future, hopefully lol"

    • ?
    • ?
    • ?

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    ALL RESULTS:
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    Tier zero

    1x Bean + 1x Camas Bulb (plain gain: 45,1 SP , x1,0)
    1x Bean + 1x Fiddlehead/Corn/Peach Fruit (plain gain: 62.5 SP, x1,3)
    1x Bean + 1x Huckleberry (plain gain: 47,9, x0,9)
    1x Fiddlehead/Corn/Peach Fruit + Huckleberry (plain gain: 37,5 SP, x0,7)
    1x Wheat + 1x Fiddlehead/Corn/Peach Fruit (plain gain: 36.5 SP, x0,7)
    1x Wheat + 1x Huckleberry (plain gain: 51.4 SP, x0,9)
    1x Wheat + 2x Huckleberry (plain gain: 54 SP, x0,9)
    2x Wheat + 3x Huckleberry (plain gain: 60 SP, x1,0)

    Tier one

    3x Charred Beet + 4x Charred Corn (plain gain 78,4 SP, x1,1)
    1x Wheat Porridge + 1x Charred Meat (plain gain: 109,8 SP , x1,3)
    1x Wheat Porridge + 1x Charred Sausage (plain gain: 120,0 SP , x1,2)
    2x Wheat Porridge + 3x Charred Meat (plain gain: 131,0 SP ,x1,6)
    1x Charred Meat + 3x Charred Camas Bulb +2x Huckleberries (plain gain: 140,4 SP, x1,8)
    3x Charred Meat + 9x Charred Camas Bulb +5x Huckleberries (plain gain: 143,0 SP, x1,9)
    =
    5x Charred Meat + 15x Charred Camas Bulb +12x Huckleberries (plain gain: 148,6 SP, x2,0)
    =
    1x Wheat Porridge + 1x Charred Meat + 5x Charred Beet (plain gain: 126,9 SP , x1,5)
    2x Wheat Porridge + 3x Charred Meat + 4x Charred Beet (plain gain: 137,1 SP ,x1,6)
    1x Wheat Porridge + 1x Campfire Roast (plain gain: 153,8 SP, x1,5)
    4x Boiled Shoots + 1x Charred Camas Bulb + 1x Charred Meat (plain gain 153,9 SP , x1,8)
    8x Boiled Shoots + 1x Campfire Roast (plain gain 171,1 SP , x1,8)
    1x Wheat Porridge + 1x Campfire Roast + 5x Charred Beet (plain gain: 161,6 SP, x1,6)
    ==
    1x Campfire Roast +5x Charred Beet +5x Charred Camas Bulb (plain gain 174.2 SP, x 2.0)
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    1x Charred Greens + 1x Charred Meat (plain gain: 176,3 SP, x1,9)
    2x Charred Greens + 3x Charred Meat (plain gain: 162,0 SP, x1,8)
    1x Charred Greens + 1x Campfire Roast (plain gain: 174,2 SP, x1,7)
    1x Charred Greens + 1x Campfire Roast + 2x Boiled Shoots (plain gain: 192.0 SP, x1,9)

    1x Campfire Stew + 1x Charred Greens (plain gain 201,4 SP, x1,6)
    1x Campfire Stew + 1x Charred Sausage (plain gain 211,9 SP, x1,5)
    1x Campfire Stew + 1x Charred Sausage + 4x Boiled Shoots (plain gain 232,2 SP, x1,8)

    Tier two

    1x Charred Sausage + 5x Baked Camas Bulb (plain gain: 212,4 SP, x1,5)
    1x Baked Roast +1x Charred Sausage +18x Baked Camas Bulb (plaing gain: 259,4 SP , x1,8)
    3x Huckleberry Muffin + 1x Baked Meat (plain gain: 228,2 SP, x1,5)
    3x Huckleberry Muffin + 1x Baked Roast (plain gain: 262,5 SP, x1,7)
    3x Huckleberry Muffin + 1x Baked Meat + 4x Baked Camas Bulb (plain gain: 268,9 SP, x1,8)
    3x Huckleberry Muffin + 1x Baked Meat + 6x Baked Camas Bulb +1 Charred Sausage
    (plain gain: 272,5 SP, x1,9)

    1x Huckleberry Pie + 1x Meat Pie (plain gain: 224,2 SP, x1,3)
    1x Huckleberry Pie + 2x Meat Pie (plain gain: 284,6 SP, x1,7)
    1x Huckleberry Pie + 1x Meat Pie + 1x Flatbread + 1x Baked Roast (plain gain: 267,5 SP, x1,6)
    1x Huckleberry Pie + 1x Meat Pie + 1x Flatbread + 1x Baked Roast + 4x Baked Camas Bulb (plain gain: 292,1 SP, x,1,8)

    Tier three

    1x Bread + 1x Huckleberry Pie +2x Sausage (plain gain: 312 SP, x,1,6)
    1x Wild Mix + 1x Baked Meat (plain gain: 329 SP, x,1,5)
    1x Sausage + 1x Wild Mix + 1x Huckleberry Extract (plain gain: 368,6 SP, x1,7)

    1x Bear Supreme + 1x Wild Mix (plain gain: 390,2 SP, x,1,5)
    1x Bear Supreme + 1x Wild Mix + 3x Huckleberry Extract (plain gain: 417,1 SP, x1,8)
    =
    1x Camas Bread + 1x Bear Supreme + 3-4x Huckleberry Extract (plain gain 438 SP, x2,0) [up to 446 SP]
    =

    Tier four

    Not implemented!


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  • Has anyone been able to reach over 180 sp/day? I can get 179 with 2x Elk Taco, 1x Elk Wellington, 1x Fried Hare Haunches. So frustrating XD



  • @AutomateEverythang
    Best I was able to finde is 183 SP/Day, by mixing: 1x Corn Fritter, 1x ElkTaco, 1x ElkWellington. (it's only 1.9 Balance, with 2550 Cal)
    This constilation requires a ton of Huckleberries, which are no problem at all, but also a lot of meat for the Prime Cut.
    R.I.P. Bisons



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  • EDIT: Updated version in http://ecoforum.strangeloopgames.com/topic/2244/best-food-combos-for-different-skill-levels-in-5-5-4

    Fiddled around with numbers in 0.5.5.4 using a brute force algorithm combining everything in different ratios up to 3000 calories. So there may be better combinations for bigger stomachs or if you keep track of your previous meals. The combination algorithm has a bug so also for 3000 cals there could be better ones but it gives a good start.
    I assumed that you evolve your skills incrementally so before you learn Baking 1 you already have Campfire Creations 4 and so on.
    This is what I got:

    Campfire Cooking 1: 1 Campfire Beans, 2 Charred Camas Bulb: 1,3/52,0
    Campfire Cooking 2: 1 Charred Meat, 2 Charred Camas Bulb, 2 Charred Beet: 1,8/75,9
    Campfire Cooking 3: 1 Charred Meat, 3 Charred Camas Bulb, 1 Charred Beet, 1 Charred Corn, 1 Boiled Shoots: 1,9/79,0
    Campfire Cooking 4: 1 Camas Mash, 1 Wilted Fiddleheads: 1,9/96,2

    Campfire Creations 1: 1 Charred Meat, 1 Boiled Shoots, 3 Camas Mash, 2 Wheat Porridge: 1,9/97,0
    Campfire Creations 2: 2 Wheat Porridge, 1 Charred Sausage: 1,9/114,1
    Campfire Creations 3: 1 Camas Mash, 1 Bannock, 2 Fiddlehead Salad, 1 Campfire Roast: 1,8/116,2
    Campfire Creations 4: 1 Bannock, 2 Campfire Stew: 1,8/134,8

    Baking 1: same as Campfire Creations 4 (no better combination with Camas Bulb Bake and Flatbread)
    Baking 2: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Camas Bulb Bake, 1 Baked Meat: 2,0/145,5
    Baking 3: same as Baking 2 (no better combination with Baked Roast)
    Baking 4: same as Baking 2 (no better combination with Huckleberry Pie and Meat Pie)

    Advanced Baking 1: same as Baking 2 (no better combination with Bread)
    Advanced Baking 2: 1 Wild Stew, 1 Baked Roast, 1 Camas Bread: 1,9/152,5
    Advanced Baking 3: same as Advanced Baking 2 (no better combination with Macaroons)
    Advanced Baking 4: 1 Fiddlehead Salad, 1 Bearclaw, 1 Elk Wellington: 2,0/172,6

    Culinary Arts 1: 1 Huckleberry Muffin, 1 Elk Wellington, 1 Corn Fritters: 1,9/175,4
    Culinary Arts 2: same as Culinary Arts 1 (no better combination with Seared Meat and Vegetable Medley)
    Culinary Arts 3: 1 Macaroons, 1 Elk Wellington, 1 Elk Taco: 1,9/180,2
    Culinary Arts 4: 1 Macaroons, 1 Vegetable Medley, 1 Elk Taco, 1 Bear S U P R E M E: 1,9/182,5

    On the server I play on Camas are quite rare so I also added one beginner's combination (limited to Campfire Cooking 4) without use of Camas and focus on as few ingredients as possible:

    1 Charred Meat, 2 Charred Beet: 1,7/73,1

    Have fun



  • @voyagebass
    As this post is dedicated to 5.0 - 5.4 ill move it to appriopriate one.



  • @Foolish_Crok
    Well done :) I also updated the table regarding the order of skills and posted it to a serarate thread:
    http://ecoforum.strangeloopgames.com/topic/2244/best-food-combos-for-different-skill-levels-in-5-5-4
    Maybe you want to copy it in your thread so you got the "current version" :)





  • Has anyone got an info on updated food combos for 5.6 / 5.6.1 ? :)


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